I hate NFS

On our network we have about 100 client computers, most of which are running Fedora 11.  We have two real servers running CentOS 5.4, using DRBD to keep the virtual machine data on the two real machines in sync and Red Hat’s cluster tools for starting and stopping the virtual machines.

We have five virtual machines running on the two real machines, only one of which is important to this post, our fileserver.

Under our old configuration, /networld was mounted on one of the real servers, and then shared to our clients using NFS. Our virtual machine, fileserver, then mounted /networld over NFS and shared it using Samba for our few remaining Windows machines (obviously, a non-optimal solution).

Old configuration (click on image for full size)

There were a couple of drawbacks to this configuration:

  1. I had to turn on and off a number of services as the storage clustered service moved from storage-server01 to storage-server02
  2. Samba refused to share a nfs4-mounted /networld, and, when mounted using nfs3, the locking daemon would crash at random intervals (I suspect a race condition as it mainly happened when storage-server0x was under high load).

My solution was to pass the DRBD disks containing /networld to fileserver, and allow fileserver to share /networld using both NFS and Samba, which seemed a far less hacky solution.

Current configuration (click on image for full size)

I knew there would be a slight hit in performance, though I’m using virtio to pass the hard drives to the virtual machine, so I would expect a maximum of 10-15% degradation.

Or not. I don’t have any hard numbers, but once we have a full class logging in, the system slows to a crawl. My guess would be that our Linux clients are running at 12 to 13 of the speed of our old configuration.

The load values on fileserver sit at about 1 during idle times and get pumped all the way up to 20-40 during breaks and computer lessons.

So now I’m stuck. I really don’t want to go back to the old configuration, but I can’t leave the system as slow as it is. I’ve done some NFS tuning based on miscellaneous sites found via Google, and tomorrow will be the big test, but, to be honest, I’m not real hopeful.

(To top it off, I spent three hours Friday after school tracking down this bug after updating fileserver to CentOS 5.4 from 5.3. I’m almost ready to switch fileserver over to Fedora.)


Comments

natxo asenjo
Sunday, Oct 25, 2009

Are you using kvm + qcow2 images by any chance as virtual machines? If yes, there is your problem. The only way (that I know of right now) to have a performing virtual nfs server is to use lvm volumes as partitions or to use a SAN with raw luns.

Otherwise, with an old server and fast scsi disks is NFS really fast.

Jonathan Dieter
Monday, Oct 26, 2009

We are definitely not using qcow2, though we are using kvm. We have the drbd drives being passed straight through to the virtual machine, which should mean a small speed decrease, not the 2-3x that we’re seeing.

Jonathan Dieter
Monday, Oct 26, 2009

It’s now second break. Current load average: 50.28, 39.85, 25.51

I hate NFS.

natxo asenjo
Monday, Oct 26, 2009

then maybe you should not use virtual machines in this case.

Bernie
Monday, Oct 26, 2009

Are you exporting async? Why is your load not 0 in idle times? How many spindles?

You’ve got a lot of indirections there. Are they all necessary?

I agree VMs are sub-optimal for low-latency I/O.

We have a beefy CentOS 5.3 server which can handle home directories for 200-300 concurrent mixed NFS/CIFS clients. We export sync, and use data=journal with large external journals (on a separate RAID-10 from the main RAID-60 volumes) and large commit intervals.

Jonathan Dieter
Monday, Oct 26, 2009

We are exporting async and have data=writeback on the filesystem. I’m not sure why the load is never 0, though I suspect that it’s because we have people on the network at all times (there are several people who live in or near the school, including myself).

I use DRBD because it seemed to be the easiest fast RAID-1-over-network setup I could find (I tried glusterfs and it failed miserably in speed). LVM is used to essentially RAID-0 two 1TB hard drives.

The main reason I would like to run all this in a VM is it makes maintenance at a low level far easier than on a real machine. For example, I’m already creating a new fileserver running Fedora, just to see if the newer kernel/packages will fix anything. If it doesn’t, I can just revert to the old fileserver.

Having said all that, I’m very quickly running out of ideas, and will probably revert to running NFS on the main server (or splitting fileserver into a pair of real machines that are clustered).

Stephen Smoogen
Monday, Oct 26, 2009

You are going to see some load issues with the virtual nature you have set up. There is an IO latency of talking to the disks that the nature of the network disk services are not going to be very acceptable of and have performance. What can happen is that another virtual machine talking to the disks will tie up the channel to talk to the spindles and the other virtual machines begin to cascade if they are trying to talk to the disks too. The usual ways of dealing with this are giving the network disk servers (be it CIFS, NFS, or netware) dedicated iocontrollers and disks.

Jonathan Dieter
Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009

Re: Stephen Smoogen

The thing is that no other virtual machines (or the real server) have access to the /networld hard drives. However, they are SATA drives, so possibly the iocontrollers need to be dedicated as well?

darkfader
Monday, Mar 6, 2017

Doesn’t read like going VM reduced maintenance efforts :)

 

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